Re: registering a homemade boat in Massachusetts
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John Bell wrote:
really go far afield.
Those discussions are so unpredictable it's hard to know when or whether people will say,
"Let's meet over there." It is nice to talk over stuff with those you know. Anyway, it's
listed at the bottom of each message now as
bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Mark
John Bell wrote:
> Discussions about registration and regulation of homebuilt boats is germane
> to the purpose of this group, IMHO. Besides we have lots of germane
> discussions that include non-germane commentary. I think it's ok, myself.
>
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, John Bell wrote:
process of building. Presumably, if you can describe building a
particular boat, you really did build it. It's probably true for most
cases.
I never have the receipts. I just asserted that all of the materials were
bought locally with sales tax attached. It's true, and they believed me.
Actually, I didn't pay sales tax on the plans . . . hmmmmm.
If I knew that I had to keep receipts, I probably would. I hope so. I am
terribly organized.
> I'd still like to know what happens if you don't keep your receipts inIn Kansas, if you lack receipts, you must write a description of the
> MA. Or what happens when you try to bring a home-built into the state?
process of building. Presumably, if you can describe building a
particular boat, you really did build it. It's probably true for most
cases.
I never have the receipts. I just asserted that all of the materials were
bought locally with sales tax attached. It's true, and they believed me.
Actually, I didn't pay sales tax on the plans . . . hmmmmm.
If I knew that I had to keep receipts, I probably would. I hope so. I am
terribly organized.
I can't speak to MA, but in CA there is a short, simple form call a
"Statement of Facts". Says, "I built this vessel on ____ from ____,
using____, which cost_____." (Or something along those lines). They
accecpt your word as truth, as long as you sign under threat of
perjury. I've always brought a pile of receipts and photos along,
they
have never been interested in the receipts, but they are always
curious about seeing the photos, - something different in their day?
I still remember the clerk, who when I said I wanted to register a
boat I built, responded, "You mean a boat you BOUGHT". Then when I
said "No, a boat I BUILT", he relpied, "You can't BUILD a boat". ----
Photos saved the day.....
That "Statement of Facts" form, plus a generic form call "Boat 101",
which asks for owner name and address etc., lenght of vessel, year
built (and some money) is all you need to get a Hull Identification
Number, State registration numbers, and title.
Starting last January, your trailer gets a "Permanent Trailer
Idendification" plate. $20, good for five years and no annual
stickers.
Rick
"Statement of Facts". Says, "I built this vessel on ____ from ____,
using____, which cost_____." (Or something along those lines). They
accecpt your word as truth, as long as you sign under threat of
perjury. I've always brought a pile of receipts and photos along,
they
have never been interested in the receipts, but they are always
curious about seeing the photos, - something different in their day?
I still remember the clerk, who when I said I wanted to register a
boat I built, responded, "You mean a boat you BOUGHT". Then when I
said "No, a boat I BUILT", he relpied, "You can't BUILD a boat". ----
Photos saved the day.....
That "Statement of Facts" form, plus a generic form call "Boat 101",
which asks for owner name and address etc., lenght of vessel, year
built (and some money) is all you need to get a Hull Identification
Number, State registration numbers, and title.
Starting last January, your trailer gets a "Permanent Trailer
Idendification" plate. $20, good for five years and no annual
stickers.
Rick
--- In bolger@y..., "John Bell" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
> I'd still like to know what happens if you don't keep your receipts
in MA.
I'd still like to know what happens if you don't keep your receipts in MA.
Or what happens when you try to bring a home-built into the state?
Discussions about registration and regulation of homebuilt boats is germane
to the purpose of this group, IMHO. Besides we have lots of germane
discussions that include non-germane commentary. I think it's ok, myself.
Or what happens when you try to bring a home-built into the state?
Discussions about registration and regulation of homebuilt boats is germane
to the purpose of this group, IMHO. Besides we have lots of germane
discussions that include non-germane commentary. I think it's ok, myself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Crandall" <crandall@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: registering a homemade boat in Massachusetts
| I actively wish that political comments not be part of the Bolger list.
| Whether they are accurate or inaccurate, whether they support my views or
| not, whether they are mean spirited or not, they detract from a
| substantial portions of the group's ability to enjoy the posting.
|
| Should we vote in Republicans?
| How much money in taxes is right?
| Is a low-tax state "citizen friendly" or "low-services"?
|
| I strongly believe that these discussions are political in nature and not
| worthy of discussion here. There's so much else good to talk about!
| Let's focus on boats, use, design, materials, seamanship, etc.
|
| Thanks!
|
|
|
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I actively wish that political comments not be part of the Bolger list.
Whether they are accurate or inaccurate, whether they support my views or
not, whether they are mean spirited or not, they detract from a
substantial portions of the group's ability to enjoy the posting.
Should we vote in Republicans?
How much money in taxes is right?
Is a low-tax state "citizen friendly" or "low-services"?
I strongly believe that these discussions are political in nature and not
worthy of discussion here. There's so much else good to talk about!
Let's focus on boats, use, design, materials, seamanship, etc.
Thanks!
Whether they are accurate or inaccurate, whether they support my views or
not, whether they are mean spirited or not, they detract from a
substantial portions of the group's ability to enjoy the posting.
Should we vote in Republicans?
How much money in taxes is right?
Is a low-tax state "citizen friendly" or "low-services"?
I strongly believe that these discussions are political in nature and not
worthy of discussion here. There's so much else good to talk about!
Let's focus on boats, use, design, materials, seamanship, etc.
Thanks!
--- In bolger@y..., "John Bell" <jmbell@m...> wrote:
boats the year before last (I guess they are informed by DNR). They
sent me several longish forms to complete. They were nice enough to
pretype a lot of the information for me, Name, Address, etc. When I
got to the part where I was supposed to estimate the boat's value, I
saw that they had typed in my estimate for me "$0.00". I signed it,
turned it in, and haven't been bothered since.
Rav
also enjoying the ease of registering a boat in the sometimes still
laid back South.
> voila, I'm legal! I do wonder if my county government is going tofigure it
> out and charge me ad valorem taxes on it though.John, My county tax commissioner figured out I had several homebuilt
>
> JB
>
boats the year before last (I guess they are informed by DNR). They
sent me several longish forms to complete. They were nice enough to
pretype a lot of the information for me, Name, Address, etc. When I
got to the part where I was supposed to estimate the boat's value, I
saw that they had typed in my estimate for me "$0.00". I signed it,
turned it in, and haven't been bothered since.
Rav
also enjoying the ease of registering a boat in the sometimes still
laid back South.
Actually our state government is controlled by the Dems. We send the other
guys to Washington.
I pity the other guy, though. The urge to throttle the bureaucrat must have
been intense.
JB
guys to Washington.
I pity the other guy, though. The urge to throttle the bureaucrat must have
been intense.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "dnjost" <djost@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [bolger] Re: registering a homemade boat in Massachusetts
| John,
|
| It must be a good life in Georgia. At the registry, I was behind a
| gentleman. I know he was a gentleman because he did not scream or
| shout at the clerk once while she explained that he needed to get a
| copy of the old registration from the person in New Hampshire he
| bought the boat from, or a title. He explained the man was dead.
| She sympathized, but insisted that he go back and get the
| registration anyways.
|
| As long as you keep voting republicans in office, you won't get the
| additional tax. We need the taxes to keep our government going. ;-)
|
| I guess we have had our fill of stolen boats up here in the
| northeast.
|
| David Jost
| all I had to do was fill out
| > a half page form and send a check for $36 for three years
| registration and
| > voila, I'm legal! I do wonder if my county government is going to
| figure it
| > out and charge me ad valorem taxes on it though.
| >
| >
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
| - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
| - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
|
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|
|
John,
It must be a good life in Georgia. At the registry, I was behind a
gentleman. I know he was a gentleman because he did not scream or
shout at the clerk once while she explained that he needed to get a
copy of the old registration from the person in New Hampshire he
bought the boat from, or a title. He explained the man was dead.
She sympathized, but insisted that he go back and get the
registration anyways.
As long as you keep voting republicans in office, you won't get the
additional tax. We need the taxes to keep our government going. ;-)
I guess we have had our fill of stolen boats up here in the
northeast.
David Jost
all I had to do was fill out
It must be a good life in Georgia. At the registry, I was behind a
gentleman. I know he was a gentleman because he did not scream or
shout at the clerk once while she explained that he needed to get a
copy of the old registration from the person in New Hampshire he
bought the boat from, or a title. He explained the man was dead.
She sympathized, but insisted that he go back and get the
registration anyways.
As long as you keep voting republicans in office, you won't get the
additional tax. We need the taxes to keep our government going. ;-)
I guess we have had our fill of stolen boats up here in the
northeast.
David Jost
all I had to do was fill out
> a half page form and send a check for $36 for three yearsregistration and
> voila, I'm legal! I do wonder if my county government is going tofigure it
> out and charge me ad valorem taxes on it though.
>
>
What if you are disorganized like me and don't save all your receipts? Or
any of them?
"Sorry, this is not a boat. You don't have a receipt to prove it."
Aren't the taxes just collecting sales tax you avoided by buying stuff over
the internet?
Here in slightly more citizen friendly Georgia, all I had to do was fill out
a half page form and send a check for $36 for three years registration and
voila, I'm legal! I do wonder if my county government is going to figure it
out and charge me ad valorem taxes on it though.
JB
any of them?
"Sorry, this is not a boat. You don't have a receipt to prove it."
Aren't the taxes just collecting sales tax you avoided by buying stuff over
the internet?
Here in slightly more citizen friendly Georgia, all I had to do was fill out
a half page form and send a check for $36 for three years registration and
voila, I'm legal! I do wonder if my county government is going to figure it
out and charge me ad valorem taxes on it though.
JB
----- Original Message -----
From: "dnjost" <djost@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:19 PM
Subject: [bolger] registering a homemade boat in Massachusetts
| Well, It is official. Firefly has been declared a boat in the great
| commonwealth of Massachusetts. Here is how you do it. (really,
| seriously!)
|
| 1. Take your receipts to the environmental police with your boat.
| on Tuesday afternoons at 4:00 pm.
|
| 2. The officer will inspect your receipts (ever so briefly). and
| then he will fill out a form that assigns you a hull number. This
| number will be affixed to the upper starboard quarter of the
| transom. Another duplicate number will be affixed to a secret
| location only known to you and the inspector. If your boat should
| get stolen and someone tries to claim it as their own (highly
| unlikely with this boat) You will know the secret location of the
| hull ID number. Any boat registered without a hull ID # will be
| seized!
|
| 3. Take the paper the officer gave you, and two separate checks (I
| forgot this part, and had to go to the nearest post office for a
| money order) and go to the Division of Marine and Recreational
| Vehicles (Boston, Worcester, Fall River, Hyannis).
|
| 4. Pay any taxes on the boat. Say what? Yes, If you did not have
| proof that you paid taxes on the material you built the boat out of,
| they can charge you tax. I paid $30.60 US by check or money order
| (sorry no cash or credit cards) on Firefly for all the junk I bought
| on the internet. Can you say "Gotcha!"
|
| 5. Go to the next window and get your title and registration
| number. This involves paying more money, $45 US via a separate check
| to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Voila! you are done.
|
| David Jost
|
| p.s. I am changing my voter registration to the libertarian
| party "only joking" I am a true democrat. I know that my taxes go to
| support those workers keeping our environment safe for boating.
|
|
|
| 5. is the number thou shalt not count.
|
|
|
| Bolger rules!!!
| - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, or flogging dead horses
| - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
| - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts and <snip> away
| - To order plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA,
01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
| - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
| - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
|
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|
|
Well, It is official. Firefly has been declared a boat in the great
commonwealth of Massachusetts. Here is how you do it. (really,
seriously!)
1. Take your receipts to the environmental police with your boat.
on Tuesday afternoons at 4:00 pm.
2. The officer will inspect your receipts (ever so briefly). and
then he will fill out a form that assigns you a hull number. This
number will be affixed to the upper starboard quarter of the
transom. Another duplicate number will be affixed to a secret
location only known to you and the inspector. If your boat should
get stolen and someone tries to claim it as their own (highly
unlikely with this boat) You will know the secret location of the
hull ID number. Any boat registered without a hull ID # will be
seized!
3. Take the paper the officer gave you, and two separate checks (I
forgot this part, and had to go to the nearest post office for a
money order) and go to the Division of Marine and Recreational
Vehicles (Boston, Worcester, Fall River, Hyannis).
4. Pay any taxes on the boat. Say what? Yes, If you did not have
proof that you paid taxes on the material you built the boat out of,
they can charge you tax. I paid $30.60 US by check or money order
(sorry no cash or credit cards) on Firefly for all the junk I bought
on the internet. Can you say "Gotcha!"
5. Go to the next window and get your title and registration
number. This involves paying more money, $45 US via a separate check
to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Voila! you are done.
David Jost
p.s. I am changing my voter registration to the libertarian
party "only joking" I am a true democrat. I know that my taxes go to
support those workers keeping our environment safe for boating.
5. is the number thou shalt not count.
commonwealth of Massachusetts. Here is how you do it. (really,
seriously!)
1. Take your receipts to the environmental police with your boat.
on Tuesday afternoons at 4:00 pm.
2. The officer will inspect your receipts (ever so briefly). and
then he will fill out a form that assigns you a hull number. This
number will be affixed to the upper starboard quarter of the
transom. Another duplicate number will be affixed to a secret
location only known to you and the inspector. If your boat should
get stolen and someone tries to claim it as their own (highly
unlikely with this boat) You will know the secret location of the
hull ID number. Any boat registered without a hull ID # will be
seized!
3. Take the paper the officer gave you, and two separate checks (I
forgot this part, and had to go to the nearest post office for a
money order) and go to the Division of Marine and Recreational
Vehicles (Boston, Worcester, Fall River, Hyannis).
4. Pay any taxes on the boat. Say what? Yes, If you did not have
proof that you paid taxes on the material you built the boat out of,
they can charge you tax. I paid $30.60 US by check or money order
(sorry no cash or credit cards) on Firefly for all the junk I bought
on the internet. Can you say "Gotcha!"
5. Go to the next window and get your title and registration
number. This involves paying more money, $45 US via a separate check
to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Voila! you are done.
David Jost
p.s. I am changing my voter registration to the libertarian
party "only joking" I am a true democrat. I know that my taxes go to
support those workers keeping our environment safe for boating.
5. is the number thou shalt not count.